tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post885788686500063908..comments2023-10-08T07:26:48.367-07:00Comments on When Carcajous Attack!: History Suggests More Will LeaveMarkushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07599907559645474571noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-64701874513855616722009-07-22T19:11:36.754-07:002009-07-22T19:11:36.754-07:00Wow. I even impress myself sometimes...Wow. I even impress myself sometimes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-73559397147779696092009-07-22T18:09:38.074-07:002009-07-22T18:09:38.074-07:00One question. Is that a West Virginia mock turtle ...<i>One question. Is that a West Virginia mock turtle nect under his jacket?</i><br /><br />Yes, <br />and a Mountaineer hat on his head.<br /><br />You're brilliant.jabberwocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-65803677167224141312009-07-21T19:54:44.988-07:002009-07-21T19:54:44.988-07:00One question. Is that a West Virginia mock turtle...One question. Is that a West Virginia mock turtle nect under his jacket?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-63791282227566088092009-07-20T14:39:09.559-07:002009-07-20T14:39:09.559-07:00I too think the addition of the walk-ons is what i...I too think the addition of the walk-ons is what is making the numbers look so crazy. I agree shedding walk-ons shouldn't be totally ignored, but it should be given much less weight (both because they are more likely to quit and they are typically not as important to the team). I think someone who is dead last on the depth chart at his position is much more likely to decide the time and work isn't worth it, maybe they should concentrate on academics, whatever.<br /><br />I appreciate the work you put into this. I think what would really put these numbers into perspective is to see the same analysis of several teams. Maybe we'd discover these numbers aren't terribly unusual. Though as a Michigan fan I wouldn't mind if numbers were a little high if it's only because the softies are scared of Barwis.Trenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558225101869088276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-6137269762892037782009-07-20T08:50:43.277-07:002009-07-20T08:50:43.277-07:00The numbers I worked through reflect defections of...The numbers I worked through reflect defections of both scholarship and walk on players. <br /><br />I don't know WVU's rosters as well as I know Michigan's over the last 5 to 6 years. I don't know exactly who at WVU was a walk-on and who was on scholarship. I have a good idea, but it's not going to be precise. This research could be done (perhaps should have been done), it just requires some more time to do. <br /><br />However, I disagree that the loss of walk-ons is irrelevant in this discussion. I don't think it should be heavily weighted, but it shouldn't be discarded outright either. RR believes that walk ons play a vital role on the team, not just in practice, but in special teams and in the depth chart. It would need it's own investigation, but I suspect that whereas RR would flush out between 15 to 25 walkons every year at WVU, Michigan historically would hang on to the same few walkon players for a series of years. <br /><br />In other words, I don't think you could "go through the motions" as a walkon under RR.<br /><br />The other thing I thought about is commitment. Are walkons less committed than scholarship players. Some walkons know they have a low probability of playing time but practice and participate anyway. Other walkons work hard to earn a scholarship (a carrot). We know some scholarship players are committed, while others couldn't be bothered to pull their weight. <br /><br />It's gray. Not black and white.Markushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07599907559645474571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-2850621975012797332009-07-20T06:08:57.320-07:002009-07-20T06:08:57.320-07:00Nice work, great effort. For me in looking for the...Nice work, great effort. For me in looking for the significance of the numbers, it would seem that the value of early departures would only be significant if they're scholarship players. <br /><br />Walk-ons can come and go for any reason. Or should I assume these were all scholarship players?Voice of Reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09249702271701679486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-90292262218165801442009-07-19T15:30:25.236-07:002009-07-19T15:30:25.236-07:00Sorry, but the whole presumption is based on meani...Sorry, but the whole presumption is based on meaningless statistics. Since there can only be 85 scholarship players on the roster, during RR period at WVU the number of walk-ons ranged from 30 to 50. Of course there was a high turnover! This is where the turnover was at WVU and this is where it will be at Michigan. RR has stated he would like to have 125-130 players on the roster, by adding walk-ons, which means he would like to have 40-45 walk-ons, most of whom will leave before they become sophomores,let alone seniors.Don Gileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02010522563446494928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-37617850624689797572009-07-19T13:09:42.561-07:002009-07-19T13:09:42.561-07:00Hi Koby,
Thanks for you post.
I thought I did acco...Hi Koby,<br />Thanks for you post.<br />I thought I did account for this in the second graph down. You're right that I neglected to put in % of players lost from total at that position. But it surprised me to see that RR "lost" an estimated 8 QBs and over 29 offensive linemen during his time at WVU.Markushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07599907559645474571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-3526301930198698522009-07-19T12:56:14.104-07:002009-07-19T12:56:14.104-07:00Very interesting article but wanted to point out o...Very interesting article but wanted to point out one thing about your discussion of attrition by position: you failed to take into account the number of players at a particular spot. For example, a team generally carries 3 QBs and 15 OLs. If one OL leaves, percentage wise, its not as big a deal as if a QB leaves.<br /><br />Other than that, keep up the interesting research.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02964473680912466165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5078287126930176141.post-37701626074742935212009-07-19T03:53:01.571-07:002009-07-19T03:53:01.571-07:00Nice post, and great to have you back!Nice post, and great to have you back!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com